Appearance mode shows correct length for clothing. No amount of changing /editing values for the pants layer, relogging, clearing cache, rebaking corrects this issue...basically the majority of my pants are unwearable at this point.

UPDATE: I did some testing of this issue. Using a texture with an alpha layer and full transparency covering the entire texture outside the wanted area for the given clothing item displays correctly. Using a texture and then using any amount of appearance mode sliders to cull / size the texture displays this problem. It is particularity bad on pants / lower body layers as no amount of sliders keeps from displaying any texture showing where the feet are in the UV map if not covered by alpha transparency. This seems to explain why some clothing items display fine and others do not.

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2400 MHz)
Memory: 2815 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce GTX 260/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

nvidia drivers 177.41

Issue appeared after installing GTX260 graphics cards, previous 8800 GT with latest nvidia drivers did not have these issues.

CPU: Intel Q6600 Series Processor (2400 MHz)
Memory: 4096 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 9800 GX2/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

Second Life 1.20.15 (92456) Jul 18 2008 10:58:42 (Second Life Release)

You are at 173193.0, 285515.9, 26.5 in Harrington located at sim3624.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.22.105:13001)
Second Life Server 1.23.4.93100

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2399 MHz)
Memory: 3327 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista (Build 6000)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GTS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.17208 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)

ForceWare 177.41
MS Vista Home Basic 64 bit

All Versions of SL incl. Release Candidate.

There are also some issues with mesh showing as white with wireframe, usually around the feet.

I've managed to fix this a couple of times by rebuilding a part or changing it if it is a modifyable piece, like rebuilding a foot base or slightly altering a length. But so many very nice pieces are no-mod, and sometimes it doesn't help, or you can't practically alter the item.

nVidia setup:

NVIDIA System Information report created on: 08/10/2008 11:13:40
System name: WINDFALL

[Display]
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz (2400 MHz)
Operating System: Windows Vista (TM) Home Premium, 32-bit (Service Pack 1)
DirectX version: 10.0
GPU processor: GeForce 8800 GTS
Driver version: 177.79
Stream processors: 96
Core clock: 513 MHz
Memory clock: 792 MHz (1584 MHz data rate)
Memory interface: 320-bit
Total available graphics memory: 2046 MB
Dedicated video memory: 640 MB
System video memory: 0 MB
Shared system memory: 1406 MB
Video BIOS version: 60.80.0A.00.02
IRQ: 16
Bus: PCI Express x16

[Components]

nvCplUIR.dll 1.4.310.0 NVIDIA Control Panel
nvCpl.cpl 2.1.230.02 NVIDIA Control Panel Applet
nvExpBar.dll 1.5.2400.10 NVIDIA Control Panel
nvCplUI.exe 2.1.230.02 NVIDIA Control Panel
nvViTvSR.dll 7.15.11.6227 NVIDIA Video and TV Server
nvViTvS.dll 7.15.11.7779 NVIDIA Video and TV Server
nvDispSR.dll 7.15.11.6227 NVIDIA Display Server
NVMCTRAY.DLL 7.15.11.7779 NVIDIA Media Center Library
nvDispS.dll 7.15.11.7779 NVIDIA Display Server
NVCPL.DLL 7.15.11.7779 NVIDIA Compatible Windows Vista Display driver, Version 177.79
nvGameSR.dll 7.15.11.6227 NVIDIA 3D Settings Server
nvGameS.dll 7.15.11.7779 NVIDIA 3D Settings Server

SL Settings:
Second Life 1.20.14 (92115) Jul 14 2008 15:20:29 (Second Life Release Candidate)

You are at 173128.8, 285630.9, 387.6 in Harrington located at sim3624.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.22.105:13001)
Second Life Server 1.23.4.93100

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2399 MHz)
Memory: 3327 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GTS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.17249 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 0/67472 (0.0%)

Clothing layers that use textures with anything other than full transparency outside the boundaries of the appearance mode sliders will render and bake the 'unwanted' portions of the texture on the avatar. This includes anything showing outside the boundaries specified for specific clothing layers - for example anything other than transparency inside the feet area on a texture used for the bottom portion of a jacket clothing layer will render on the avatars feet.

REBAKE HAS NO EFFECT

8600gts w/ 177.83 drivers, 1.20.15 client.

This also makes clothing that has a fill color rather than transparent unusable.

is linden labs working on the bug? with this errors, sl ist no fun for me.

i think about leaving it.

Second Life 1.20.15 (92456) Jul 18 2008 10:58:42 (Second Life Release)

You are at 258640.2, 261965.9, 2359.0 in Amella located at sim3817.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.23.44:13000)
Second Life Server 1.23.4.93100

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2399 MHz)
Memory: 3327 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista (Build 6000)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GTS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.17400 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 0/149638 (0.0%)

I have yet to notice any problems with other clothing and everything else renders smoothly. It would be nice to see this fixed as I am not really looking forward to picking thru my inventory to find out what I can actually wear now. I will say however, that my last card was the nVidia GeForce 7600 and for as long as I can remember I had problems with pants layers when trying to flare. If I was wearing pants.....they would almost always render an odd extra lengthe of flesh toned flaring upon re-logging and I always always had to change my pants. It did not happen during my time in-world....only after logging out and back in.
This seems to be a similar issue.....though it doesn't look as if this taxture issue is going to just correct itself the way the odd pants flare did.

I'm not a fan of the '70s, so the bell-bottoms have to go!

GF 8600GTS - 256M
GF 9800GTX - 1024M

Vista 64Bit
and Drivers :

177.x

only 175.x is working without great bugs, from the 174+ Line

an old program like SL run and other "modern" games like Crysis don't work...

i wonder that linden don't fix this problem fast. i never heard from such problems in other online games with nvidia-cards and -drivers...

No, is this "sweeper" program an nVidia thing?

I'm not experienced with chasing around swapping drivers in and out while waiting for an app to get it's act together.

A couple are:

Driver Sweeper:
http://www.guru3d.com/category/driversweeper/

Driver Cleaner:
http://www.drivercleaner.net/

" * Use the official uninstaller(s) of the driver(s) you want to uninstall.

• Reboot your PC in Safe Mode.
• Run Driver Sweeper and select what to clean.
• Analyse lists all the entries possible to remove, cleaning removes the entries selected.
• More drivers can be selected for the same cleaning process."

Or buy DriverCleaner.

OK, this has officially gone beyond the level of BS I'm willing to put up with chasing bugs for Linden Research for free.

It's bad enough I have to run Windows...

You are at 201421.0, 265794.6, 592.2 in The Wastelands located at sim3586.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.22.67:12035)
Second Life Server 1.23.4.93100

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2399 MHz)
Memory: 3326 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8600 GTS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.17530 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 107/205825 (0.1%)
i can't tell if it shows or no but i'm running 2 8600GTS in SLI
some of the other things i tried was rebaking, nothing happened and turning myself back into a default av did'nt do anything as a matter of fact i could'nt even change no matter where i was on the grid and when i finally did and put everything back on i had black as soon as i put on a tattoo jacket layer, i also had somewhere around 50000L in useless skins and clothes.

177.79 drivers
Vista 64Bit

same issues, textures are borked!

People's choice of driver level and maybe video card could be influenced by the answer.

I know we bought two nVidia cards here because Linden Research recommended them....of course that was before viewer 1.20. The only reason I'm running bleeding edge drivers was in hope of reducing the number of completely-dead-must-power-down-to-reboot crashes running SL.

Not as many of those as there used to be but they do still happen.

I have two computers, one with the nVidia 8800GT 512, and another with an ATI Mobility Raedon 9800. If I am signed in on the nVidia I see the above noted errors. When I log out, and then log in via the other PC with my ATI card, the errors are still present. This Should Not Happen. If I initiate a rebake, it will fix the problem, but it means that the flaw is uploading bad bakes to the server. So its effecting more than just what you see, its affecting what you do.

Falling back to drivers 175.31 corrected the corruption for my card on viewer 1.20.15.

(Btw, 1.20.15 looks and runs beautifully on the 9800GT.)

I've tried rolling back the Nvidia drivers to the 175.19, (I also have one system that is still running those drivers), and I've tried Vista 64, XP, and OSX on different computers, yet nothing seems to reliably fix this issue. None of my Windows systems were able to achieve the "rebake" fix that others posted about with the 175.19 drivers at all; the OSX setup was able to get the rebake fix to work one time, then never worked again. I've also tried both the ReleaseCandidate as well as the standard SL Client...and spent over an hour with an in-game Mentor trying all the basics like going to Advanced --> Basic Male, etc., etc. So basically with four separate computers, testing four different setups, I am unable to resolve this issue. (Yes, I've cleared all cache, and rebaked over and over to no avail.)

I would also like to note that in testing a friend's account on the same systems, I did not encounter this issue at all. We did only test it for a ~10 minutes on each though; but her main system is running an identical 8800 Ultra Video card and the same drivers as mine, and she has not experienced this issue at all on with her character.

Below are the four setups that I tested, (rebakes and all), and encountered NO repeatable fixes at all....

*********Primary System*********

Vista 64Bit SP1
Intel Core 2 Extreme (Quad)
Nvidia driver 177.83

Second Life 1.20.14 (92115) Jul 14 2008 15:20:29 (Second Life Release Candidate)

You are at 284699.6, 272836.4, 471.4 in Constance located at sim3129.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.20.118:13002)
Second Life Server 1.23.4.93100

CPU: Intel Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (0.25 micron process) with external L2 cache (3005 MHz)
Memory: 6143 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 Ultra/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.17620 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 0/7853 (0.0%)

*********Secondary System*********

Win XP 32Bit SP3
AMD Athlon 64 X2
Nvidia driver 175.19

Second Life 1.20.15 (92456) Jul 18 2008 10:58:42 (Second Life Release)

You are at 284702.3, 272838.1, 471.4 in Constance located at sim3129.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.20.118:13002)
Second Life Server 1.23.4.93100

CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (2211 MHz)
Memory: 2048 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 7800 GT/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.17621 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 75/5445 (1.4%)

*********Tertiary System*********

Win XP 32Bit SP2
Intel Core 2 Duo
Nvidia driver 169.21

Second Life 1.20.14 (92115) Jul 14 2008 15:30:29 (Second Life Release Candidate)

You are at 284702.3, 272838.1, 471.3 in Constance located at sim3129.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.20.118:13002)
Second Life Server 1.23.4.93100

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2593 MHz)
Memory: 2031 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8600M GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.17621 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 1/1222 (0.1%)

*********Macbook Pro Lappy*********

OSX Leppard 10.5.4
Intel Core2 Duo
Nvidia driver ? (whatever the current OSX version is)

Second Life 1.20.14 (92115) Jul 14 2008 14:53:05 (Second Life Release Candidate)

You are at 284702.3, 272838.1, 471.4 in Constance located at sim3129.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.20.118:13002)
Second Life Server 1.23.4.93100

CPU: Dual i386 (Unknown) (2600 MHz)
Memory: 2048 MB
OS Version: Darwin 9.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.4.0: Mon Jun 9 19:30:53 PDT 2008; root:xnu-1228.5.20~1/RELEASE_I386 i386
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT OpenGL Engine
OpenGL Version: 2.0 NVIDIA-1.5.28
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.17621 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 350/12857 (2.7%)

Nothing much else to say, I've been getting this as reported by others.

---------------
Display Devices
---------------
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 8800 GT
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0611&SUBSYS_23341682&REV_A2
Display Memory: 1012 MB
Dedicated Memory: 245 MB
Shared Memory: 766 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1200 (32 bit) (59Hz)
Monitor: Generic Non-PnP Monitor
Driver Name: nvd3dum.dll,nvwgf2um.dll
Driver Version: 7.15.0011.7783 (English)
DDI Version: 10
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 8/2/2008 12:20:00, 5959680 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4551-11CF-556B-3F0302C2CA35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0611
SubSys ID: 0x23341682
Revision ID: 0x00A2
Revision ID: 0x00A2
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C ModeVC1_C ModeWMV9_C ModeVC1_B ModeWMV9_B ModeVC1_A ModeWMV9_A



Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 8800 GT
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0611&SUBSYS_23341682&REV_A2
Display Memory: 1012 MB
Dedicated Memory: 245 MB
Shared Memory: 766 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Generic Non-PnP Monitor
Driver Name: nvd3dum.dll,nvwgf2um.dll
Driver Version: 7.15.0011.7783 (English)
DDI Version: 10
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 8/2/2008 12:20:00, 5959680 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4551-11CF-556B-3F0302C2CA35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0611
SubSys ID: 0x23341682
Revision ID: 0x00A2
Revision ID: 0x00A2
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C ModeVC1_C ModeWMV9_C ModeVC1_B ModeWMV9_B ModeVC1_A ModeWMV9_A

I first noticed it when trying on skins I've had for some time (freebie ones I often give away to newbies) and the torso portion would become a solid color. I do believe my avatar was completely nude. I wasn't wearing socks or a jacket that has been mentioned before. Some of my skins would do this, others would work fine.

I've also noticed that some of my outfits which had separate parts for socks, pants and a top. Putting on the socks would also render the texture that the pants would show (area around my hips.) I didn't think Socks could render anything that high up!?

Putting on old gloves that I created would cover the entire top half of my body as if I'm wearing a skin tight turtleneck sweater. Trying to edit my gloves in appearance mode did nothing.

Problem still persists with RC0, BTW.

Also the reason this "effects other users" is because YOUR client "bakes" all the layers of your clothing textures your avatar is wearing into a single texture (well 3 textures), it's then uploaded it to the sim, and everyone near you downloads that texture and will see the glitch. If you encounter someone else who's wearing the same clothing item that has this bug, but who is not using an nvidia based video card, or is using older nvidia video drivers, you'll see them normally, because their viewer is baking the texture properly.

nVidia 177.83
nVidia 177.85
nVidia 177.89
nVidia 177.92 (latest 8400M mobile drivers)
Windows Vista SP1
Second Life Release 1.20.15
Second Life RC 1.21.0

Temporary Fix.
--------------------
Do not rebake while dressed. Remove all clothing, then rebake. Then dress. For me, this resolves the problem of texture bleeding. If I rebake when dressed, the problem returns/persists.

My trial and error experience.
--------------------------------------
I rolled back to 174.90 after a clean sweep of my system, removing 177.92 completely, and cleaning out my registry and /system32 directory of rogue files. Using 174.90, I could solve the texture bleeding by rebaking while dressed. Unfortunately, 174.90 runs too hot for my notebook, so I completely removed 174.90 (including another registry sweep) and reinstalled 177.92. The temp. fix above then worked for me.

Same issue happens on my clien, sliders are adjustable HOWEVER have no outcome on the clothing. I dont rember if it occureed after the beta driver install or the new RC cient as most of my clothing uses transparences.

UPDATE: I uninstalled the Nvidia drivers then used driver cleaner to kill the rest. I then reinstalled 177.41, which aboslutely did NOT fix the issue.

Second Life 1.21.0 (95157) Aug 26 2008 16:03:19 (Second Life Release)
CPU: Intel Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (0.25 micron process) with external L2 cache (2999 MHz)
Memory: 3326 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GTS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

(2) Nvidia GeForce 9800 GTX's with dual SLI. Running on latest official drivers.

Rolling back to July's drivers seems to fix/avoid this problem, but for now I'll stay current and hope this issue gets resolved.

I'd like to ask again that the Linden who is Workingonit let us know itf the current status of this issue is:

( ) it is currently beleived to be a SL viewer bug,
( ) it is currently believed to be an nVidia driver bug
( ) it is currently thought to be a combination of the previous two
( ) nobody knows why it is happening yet
( ) "Workingonit Linden" doesn't necessarily mean anyone at LL is actually working on it

Second Life 1.20.15 (0) Aug 26 2008 00:03:32 (Cool SL Viewer)
RestrainedLife viewer v1.12.3 (CV 1.20.15.0)

You are at 265001.6, 312543.9, 27.5 in Sierra Nevada located at sim2615.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.18.112:13000)
Second Life Server 1.24.4.95600

CPU: Intel Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (0.25 micron process) with external L2 cache (2493 MHz)
Memory: 3070 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800M GTS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2399 MHz) (Q6600)
Memory: 4094 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001) (Ultimate x64)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+/PCI/SSE2 (eVGA 9800 GTX+ stock clocks)
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

CPU: Intel Pentium 4 (Unknown model) (3211 MHz)
Memory: 2048 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce GTX 260/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.17883 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2194 MHz)
Memory: 3582 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8400M GS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

nVidia driver is 177.92
Happens with simple tee shirts, looks like I'm wearing full white length gloves.
multiple outfits broken.

I dont know if anyone has realized this but this problem happens with ALL the clothing that is made IN-World and have a Modify option.
I DO NOT have this issue with photoshope clothing templates. In a program like gimp or psp or photoshop there is a cut off point for the textures placed on the templates. When the designer makes the clothes in another program and uploads and sells a no mod, these designs seem to be fine. There was a skirt issue once it was fixed. Now wouldnt this be a similiar problem and easily fixable??? Trying maybe the rebake scripting ??? This issue has been going on to long and i'm just fed up with sl not fixing this problem..Maybe if u start losing paid members like myself perhaps this will prompt to do something about fixing this clothing issue instead of your replies that say u r aware of it but thers no solution. Also ur blaming it on NVIDIA video cards but my question to u is how in the world can someone WITHOUTa NVIDIA video card in THEIR pc look at my avie when im dressed and the clothes cover my hands and feet also see the clothing issue through their DIFFERENT BRAND video cards???????????? And Y isn't all clothing presenting this problem??????????????

Now here is linden labs usual pass the buck responce to me. Notice its says, "WE HAVE SOLVED YOUR ISSUED"...LMAO

We have solved your issue

Solution: Dear Alan.

Thank you for your feedback, but the support team is not the best place to discuss bugs.

Please direct all further comments to the Jira task that was pointed out to you.

Regards,

Lotte

Ticket Information:
Ticket #: 4051-5193220
Date Created: 8/28/2008 7:21 PM WEST

I'm using an NVidia 790i SLi motherboard with NVidia GEForce GTX 280 video card/.

( ) it is currently believed to be a SL viewer bug,
( ) it is currently believed to be an nVidia driver bug
( ) it is currently thought to be a combination of the previous two
( ) nobody knows why it is happening yet

This problem is NOT related to the video card drivers.

Other's see your painted thumbs/gloves/full suits/flare with skin/socks to belly button.

This is a SecondLife issue and NOT related to the driver. If it was on my drivers others would not be able to see the glitches.

I had this glitch when I was running the Nvidia CUDA drivers on an 8800GTX, rolling back to driver version to version 175.19 seems to have fixed my problem. http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_175.19_whql.html

Windows XP Home, Intel E8400 Cpu, Nvidia 8800GTX video card, 2 gigs PC6400 ram, Nvidia 780i motherboard chipset.

There's a "beta and archived drivers" link on the nVidia site.

The 175.19 drivers do not have this issue if you revert back to them, thou not an option for the gefroce 280 users.

For now I'm still using the bugged drivers and taking advantage of the extra layering options lmao (thou it helps having a sizable product line that can be manipulated to fits your needs )

Plus i can boot to xp to get away from it (have dual boot) it has older drivers, this would probably annoy me much more if i didn't have an easy workaround

Pull your finger out Lindens!

Thanks

Slate

And Ken.. it is a driver related issue. That other people can see the glitch on your clothing lies in the nature of SL. I'm not much into this stuff but as far as I understood it.. your computer processes the textures and stuff of your avatar bakes them into only afew combined texturesand then sends it back to SL.. so other people can see your textures on your avatar faster and only have to load a couple of textures instead of a whole bunch of it.
(So far my layman's explanation, I think other can explain it far better).

So you see.. a driver error can actually affect a lot.

( ) it is currently believed to be a SL viewer bug,
( ) it is currently believed to be an nVidia driver bug
( ) it is currently thought to be a combination of the previous two
( ) nobody knows why it is happening yet

Allow my to point out that if this is a driver bug, a Linden developer needs to be working with nVidia so they can correct it.

If LL doesn't address this one way or another until after the supposed driver bug is in final release code, we're going to have an even nastier problem.

— This is why there are beta drivers. Surely that is something that developers that are as dependent on RC viewers, the beta grid and First Look releases can appreciate---

Switch SL to your primary monitor, take off all your clothes, go into editing appearance. You'll see your skin show up, then go black again when you get out. Do a rebake of all textures, and it should come back normally. Everyone else who does a rebake will see it as well. I have a GTX 260, and the latest drivers. If it is as simple as this, I'll be very happy.

Facts which are true, at least for me:

• Clearly it affect EVERY version of 177 drivers.
• It affect any viewer since 1.19.1 (4) to the latest one.
• Hearing other users experiences around it seem that the problem affect almost any geforce since 7 series to the latest 200 series.
• It's NOT a SLI issue, i disabled it with no avail
• It's NOT a dual monitor issue
• It affect lots of my clothes layer, some combo are simply rendered properly which the vast majority is not

I think(hope) that lindens are working hard on this issue at least considering this bug status at the moment.
Priority: Major Major
Assignee: WorkingOnIt Linden

That's me:
Second Life 1.19.1 (4) Apr 2 2008 11:59:37 (Second Life Release)

You are at 231141.6, 242716.8, 44.4 in Reliance located at sim5928.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.35.230:12035)
Second Life Server 1.24.4.95600

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2663 MHz)
Memory: 4094 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 9800 GX2/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.18024 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 8/56971 (0.0%)
Viewer Digest: bb2966f6-cf81-a0de-1e21-dcd21f05428a

CPU: Intel core 2 quad q9650 3 GHz - Memory: 8190 MB and NVIDIA 280 is my system
I was running sl fine on my laptop with a geforce 8600 card.
But after logging in to sl on a NVIDIA 280 PC (above) I suddenly experience the problem
on my laptop also.

This issue is a very serious one. Having 90% of your clothes in your inventory useless is bad! I find it frustrating-
A very large percentage of users in SL are using NVIDIA and will update their drivers in the near future and be affected by this bug.

We also spend a lot of money on clothes and other items to enhance avatar appearance. But the rendering of these assets is spoiled by an incompatibility between the viewer and the most current drivers drivers, and we have yet no hint as to whether the drivers are right and the viewer is broken (and we need a fix from LL) or the driver is broken and the viewer is right (and we need a fix from nVidia).

To make matters worse, when we raise the issue of a memory leak (VWR-8841) , we're asked if we're sure we're on the latest drivers.

But....

@Torley-- "Supported hardware"?

Are you saying the 8800 GTS isn't supported? Yikes! We though they were, that's why we bought them.

...from http://secondlife.com/support/sysreqs.php

NVIDIA Graphics cards
7000 Series:
7600, 7800, 7900
8000 Series:
8500, 8600, 8800
GeForce Go Series:
7600, 7800, 7900

Actually I think things are being done to address that problem, which is referred to as "a memory leak"; memory that is used temporarily becoming permanently allocated by accident. Just because you still see memory leaking doesn't mean that other leaks have not been plugged.

The current manifestation of this kind of problem in viewer 1.21.x is likely VWR-8841.

Oh, please Maggie. Who r u trying to kid that you think this issued is being fixed??????????????????..Read my text again above..........GOING ON 2 YEARSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! Oh thats right..U must work for linden lab.....SMH.

This memory leak seems to happen mostly on multicore machines. And what you need to realize is there is probably more than one place in the code that leaks memory. 1.21.RC2 seems better in this regard than earlier versions of the viewer, but it's definitely not perfect. I still have to check the virtual memory allocation and relog when it starts getting close to 2 gigabytes.

In the advanced menu, disable:

advanced -> rendering -> features -> palletized textures

This is only a temporary fix, as it reverts on each login.

Good Tip. Thank you very much, Chalice!!!

It seems to work on my Shirts. For my pants i Don't know this time. But unfortunately it don't work for my damaged shoe-shapes.

Edit:
i was wrong! It works on all! Shapes, Pants, shirts, socks.

Siobhan points out that Ctl-Alt-F7 is a shortcut for this

@Liney – yes, no, no and yes

Thanks for the temporary fix, Chalice! Works great. Wondering if there are any side effects? Not sure what palletized textures are.

If anyone doesn't see any difference when disabling, try a rebake and go into appearance and alter the piece of clothing that's messed up. Worked for me

I did some research and found this explanation:
Palletized Texture means compressed texture formats, such as 1-, 2-, 4-, and 8-bit instead of 24-bit; this allows more textures to be stored in less memory.

Another explanation:
[...]Taking this color-reduction scheme to the extreme, we can directly use palletized texture maps. These are 8-bit bitmaps where each pixel represents not the RGB value, but the index to a 256-entry table, much like in classic quantization schemes. Palletized maps thus occupy approximately one-third the size of the RGB texture map (plus the space for the palette). Again, deciding when to use palettes is a matter of knowing your textures. Gradients and rich-color maps might degrade significantly, but many maps will look great in 8 bits. Also, 8-bit terrain textures usually look great when applied to some kind of detail textures and lighting. As usual, having both options in your game engine is surely the best policy.

Two comments here:

1. Like others, I find it sad that a person outside Linden Lab had to publish this fix
2. I also find it sad that this didn't come until almost 3 months after the initial bug was posted.

If Chalice was able to figure this out... I would think that some tech at LL should have been able to figure out the same thing and have a fix to us much faster... a permanent fix as well. For now, ctrl alt F7 will have to do. I realize LL has a lot on their plate, but I have to echo Alan Itano's post above. Nothing wrong with users figuring out a fix and passing it on. That's great in fact. Just too bad LL didn't post the same fix over that three month period the problem persisted.

Again, thanks Chalice.

Apparently this isn't a bug in the Nvidia driver, but a problem on SL's side.

I accessed SL with an older Nvidia 7900 card and the avatar appeared correctly, I logged off and accessed SL through my new 9800 GTX again. Problem gone! Apparently something happened upon accessing through the 7900 card that fixed the bug... which therefore apparently exists in SL somewhere. Logically, if the problem existed with the 9800 driver... it would have persisted. The fact that logging in with the 7900 fixed the problem (at least on that piece of clothing) indicates that some kind of indicator somewhere on SL is being messed up (or some such wierd thing).

It circumvents the problem by turning off the broken feature, which is on by default.

The nVidia support is still broken.

Second Life 1.20.15 (92456) Jul 18 2008 10:58:42 (Second Life Release)

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Graphics Card: GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+/PCI/SSE2
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http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2136118

Nope, not anyways close to a "fix". And this is going on now what, over 3 months? I find as time passes, I'm becoming even more demanding of SL getting on top of these fixes and correcting them, not in years... not in months, but in days and weeks. That's why they're paid the big bucks. (at last check in excess of $5 million a month).

It's pretty obvious the debugging strategy at Linden Lab needs completely overhauled. Customer patience with lengthy debug cycles has long past worn out.

Folks this issue involves not only SL but a new nvidia drivers implementation. It's not a trivial issue, give lindens some time.

It may be indicative of something to know that so experienced as user as Torley has seen this problem for a while yet assumed it was due to inventory damage.

@wayfinder: Are you sure disabling palletized textures won't fix your appearance for everybody? My understanding had been that the bug happens when the avi's own vidcard is used to bake the clothing textures, and those baked textures are used by everybody.

It has fixed it for all involved parties in the cases I witnessed so far, be it observer or user of the affected card drivers.

If other parties still see the errors, rebake/change groups/hit appearance mode.

if even that fails, get out of their draw distance and back. A scripted deruthing device usually should work for that.

For the reporters that are able to download directly from the Nvidia site, please test to see if this resolves any of their issues.
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us

Thank you

1 ( ) it is currently believed to be a SL viewer bug,
2 ( ) it is currently believed to be an nVidia driver bug
3 ( ) it is currently thought to be a combination of the previous two
4 ( ) nobody knows why it is happening yet

Because unless they will pony up and assert condition 2, I'm not going to go through endlessly updating drivers in the forlorn hope that "maybe this fixes it". That''s a waste of my time.

could we possibly have a permanent toggle added to at
least disable the palletized textures so it doesn't have to be done every log in?

CPU: Intel Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (0.25 micron process) with external L2 cache (2499 MHz) (the processor is a intel core 2 quad q9300 @2.5ghz)
Memory: 3070 MB (4 gigs in there +512 in the graphics)
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GTS 512/PCI/SSE2

You are at 201427.3, 265770.0, 624.0 in The Wastelands located at sim4928.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.27.139:13001)
Second Life Server 1.24.6.97433
Release Notes

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OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

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CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2393 MHz)
Memory: 4030 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 9600 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

Nvidia 177.92 Drivers
Nvidia 178.13 Drivers

Second Life 1.21.3 (97611) Sep 24 2008 17:11:26 (Second Life Release Candidate)
Release Notes

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Second Life Server 1.24.6.97433
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Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GTX/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

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CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (3000 MHz)
Memory: 2048 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!

The problem cleared up once I downgraded to 169.21

CPU: Intel Pentium 4 (Unknown model) (3192 MHz)
Memory: 3071 MB
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Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 9600 GT/PCI/SSE2
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You are at 286290.8, 263960.9, 50.2 in Taranatha located at sim5722.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.35.24:13001)
Second Life Server 1.24.6.97433

CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (3214 MHz)
Memory: 3583 MB
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Graphics Card: GeForce 9800 GT/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
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It bugged me very much and I came to a workaround fix that seems to be working for me with the 9800 GT card i purchased few days ago.
Don't use the most recent drivers from nvidia, they are obviously borked for SL. Try to find the 175.16 driver which seems to be free of that bug. Obviously it says it can't support this graphics card but there is a simple solution. You need to enter 2 lines of code into the nv4_disp.inf file in the c:\nvidia\win2k\175.16\english\ folder.
These lines are :

%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0614.1% = nv4_G9x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0614

(put it near other similar looking lines)

and :

NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0614.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT"

(i deliberately renamed the card to 8800GT so the software handles it like it was 8800GT not 9800GT though dunno if its important but now the card is seen as
8800GT by the system)

If your card has different hardware ID number try to determine it by using Everest Ultimate or other diagnostic softaware.

after all run the setup.exe file from the c:\nvidia\win2k\175.16\english\ folder and it should install without a glitch. Tested with 3d mark 2003 and it gives me around 37k points and about 11k points with 3d mark 2006. There is a bit of a slowdown in Crysis but its accteptable after all.

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2405 MHz)
Memory: 3328 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 9600 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

and driver Forceware 177.* and 178.13

i was UNABLE to reproduce the issue with the 175.* driver. that one works fine even with the same graphics card

This issue was opened in June.

Some feedback as to where Linden Labs stands on this issue would be very welcome to dispel the growing impression that pjira is a black hole where masses of information and free QA effort is harvested from the customers and little or nothing flows the other way.

But right now the silence is deafening.

If LL's position is that the more recent nVidia drivers are broken, kindly tell us. It would be nice if LL would work with nVidia on the issue.

If these symptoms are a result of bugs in the viewer surfaced by the driver, that should be owned up to also.

If the "fix" is to disable graphics features, then those features should be disabled by default in the environments where they do not work.

CPU: Intel Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (0.25 micron process) with external L2 cache (3005 MHz) Should be Core2Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0Ghz/core
Memory: 4095 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001) should be Vista X64 Ultimate
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce GTX 260/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.16.4 OpenSSL/0.9.7c zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: KDU
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.18480 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)

Using GeForce 260 drivers 178.13 for Vista 64-bit. Has also happened with previous and beta drivers.

I wouild LOVE to be able to wear an av. that's not full prim and have my clothing looking right. Lindens, please, this is affecting MANY MANY MANY users: Content creators and buyers, may even be affecting clothing sales in-world and it's definitely causing lots of havoc for us that like to wear clothes....

By the way, I rolled my drivers back to 175. When I logged back into SL nothing had changed. I changed outfits then did a rebake.... and VOILA!!! It worked. (well, at least for now) LOL

The trick is, that you need to rebake each outfit when it displays improperly. So far, this technique is working for me. Good luck to all and hopefully this will be a big enough of a priority for it to be fixed quickly.

I'm having the same issue..

Second Life 1.20.16 (97603) Sep 24 2008 18:30:45 (Second Life Release)

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I also had this with the 20.15 release

Whenever i edit my shirt/pants or whatever... the textures are bugged, or worse, my part that the cloth is on, is completely textures.
Changing e.g. the sleeve length, addresses this.
I'm using NVidia drivers: 178.13
Before 20.15 this problem didn't exist.

Rebake had no effect on me.

Many of us bought nVidia on LL's recommendation. And then moved into early-release and beta drivers because it was suggested that some of the causes of viewer instability were nVidia's fault.

Now the RC viewer - -the same viewer that is required to test scripts again the new Mono engine - - is behaving badly against those same bleeding-edge drivers, and we're left to guess and determine by tedious experiment what works without damaging visual assets and what doesn't. And wonder if the goal post will be moved in the next RC.

If nVidia's drivers are really broken when skinning avis, it's incumbent on LL to make that determination; that's way beyond what beta users can realistically be asked to do. And if the problem is on the driver side of the fence, I think it's LL's responsibility to work the issue with nVidia, since they are users of nVidia's driver just as we are users of the SL viewer.

I've been asking for that determination for months. The silence is still deafening. The impact on user experience grows worse all the time as more of the user base upgrades their equipment (largely driven by the resource demands of Windlight) and moves uplevel in the nVidia drivers. If this is to be laid at the doorstep of nVidia, that's fine....in that case LL needs to work the issue with nVidia so it doesn't get any worse. The current SL viewer is deeply dependent on nVidia tech, anything LL can do to improve its quality is a direct benefit to LL.

Even so sophistcated a user as Torley Linden assumed that the asset breakage he was seeing was due to problems in the SL asset persistance infrastructrure (which are tolerated rather more than they should be already) rather than the rendering issue that it apparently really is.

And if I'm reaching to the choir on this at LL, there's a communications failure...I need to hear an "amen".

> By the way, I rolled my drivers back to 175. When I logged back into SL nothing had changed. I changed outfits then
> did a rebake.... and VOILA!!! It worked. (well, at least for now) LOL

If you can roll back, then you are a lucky man. Owners of GTX 260 and 280 cards can't roll back, as those new drivers are the drivers they need for those cards. So the only trick to get rid of the bug is to switch off "Paletized Textures" and then Rebake.

But you need to do that after EACH relog, and with SL's rather frequent crashes this is no fun at all.

Info from SL:
CPU: Intel Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (0.25 micron process) with external L2 cache (2527 MHz)
Memory: 4090 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 9800M GTS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.18520 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)

Nvidia info:
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P9500 @ 2.53GHz (2527 MHz)
Operating System: Windows Vista (TM) Home Premium, 64-bit (Service Pack 1)
DirectX version: 10.0
GPU processor: GeForce 9800M GTS
Driver version: 178.13

Viewer versions:
Second Life 1.21.4 (98167) Sep 30 2008 15:28:25 (Second Life Release Candidate)
Second Life 1.20.16 (97603) Sep 24 2008 18:30:45 (Second Life Release)

I have attached screenshots to this issue.

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series 1800 MHz)
Memory: upper 1024 MB
OS Version: Windows XP Home Edition ServicePack 3
Graphics Card : NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT
driver:177.79

Windows XP professional 32bit
4GB DDr400 ram
AMD athlon 4400 dual core processor
Video card: Nvidia 8800 GTS 512
Video driver version: 178.13

Any skintight clothes I try to wear are permanantly stuck as pure white. Rebaking, relogging, editing appearance, etc, does not fix it. However, editing appearance seems to allow OTHER people to see me properly, while I'm in that menu. But Never shoes properly for me.

Clothes with looseness seem to work alright, though. Or at least, pants do. Still having issues with shirts.

The only fix seems to be ALL ABOUT MONEY!
So in keeping with this ideal Lindens Labs goes by CHARGE more and do less.

Here is the FIX, Dont use the Linden labs Clothes or template files the freeones or the ones that come in the cheap clothes sets.

Load up on the Lindens and buy the high end clothes and the problem does go away.
Just watch out of the others like Linden Labs, that over charge for everything.
Happy hunting and as they say on the Flintstones: CHARGE IT !!!!!

Folks may be unware of where triage stands on this because the notes from the 9/1 triage haven't been published yet.

This problem affects everything.. they need to get it sorted.. crosses fingers

When it comes to this issue I also have it with my 9800GTX+ with the driver the new driver 178.13.. That is though when I am on my windows Vista side. On my linux side it goes away for some reason. I havent found out why yet though. Im sure they will fix it sometime though, its not like this is the only problem going on right now. So give them some slack. Specially for you people that have no clue how any of this stuff works ^^^^^^^^.

Also remember if you don't like the game and feel it is waste of money THEN WHY ARE YOU PLAYING IT. Think before you speak people.

Interestingly enough, she says this issue appeared on an older, less capable machine she had, disappeared when she upgraded to her present one, then appeared again now that I've added a new video card. I wonder if this was something that was actually fixed in an earlier viewer version, and now we're seeing change regression? Just thinking out loud like a software engineer...

Intrepid souls can give a try to www.tweakforce.com releases of Geforce drivers: they're faster and a bit less bulky than "official" nVidia releases. But they're also affected by this issue, you're warned. At least, now I have a chance for wearing any item I like, and not only the ones that GeForce forces me to choose. Greets to all patient nVidia users there!

Editing the sliders for clothing make no changes, turns alpha areas of clothing white, putting on some jackets turns my pants pure white, sometimes my skin turns black, Rebaking no good, clearing cachie no good, installed latest viewer and RC viewer no effect. Others see me like this in world also.

CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (2010 MHz)
Memory: 3072 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2, v.2096 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8600 GTS/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

Strangely, it seems to affect only skins from my section of the inventory, skins in the Library section render without the pink torso.

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Second Life 1.21.5 (98701) Oct 6 2008 10:27:21 (Second Life Release Candidate)

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Memory: 3070 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

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J2C Decoder Version: KDU
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Second Life 1.20.17 (98669) Oct 5 2008 10:25:42 (Second Life Release)

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Memory: 3072 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 7600 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.18649 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 0/198614 (0.0%)

Second Life 1.20.17 (98669) Oct 5 2008 10:25:42 (Second Life Release)

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2404 MHz)
Memory: 3072 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.18686 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)

I think that criticism is a bit over the top.

I think what actually happened here is that it was hoped during early triages that this would turn out to be a bug in beta drivers rather than an API change that needed to be adapted to. I think that's turned out to be wishful thinking.

The SL viewer has had rather a far longer life than most "video games", and yet it uses gaming-class graphics tech to "make the magic happen"; this present unique challenges in tracking architectural changes in the supporting infrastructure. Video drivers are one example and Vista is another.

I now believe that the hope that it was "somebody else's problem" has proven forlorn, and there is now an appreciation at LL that I was right a while back when I described this as a pervasive high-impact issue.

It's too late to be proactive; LL's going to have to be reactive. But I think saying "they don't care because they're furries" is misplaced.

Figured I'd add my 2 cents to this mile long list of complaints and comments... I've been playing SL for almost 2 years now and have enjoyed every minute of it up until now. This bug has COMPLETELY ruined my experience. Out of over 100 outfits and several dozen skins that I own (ya, I'm a shopaholic!) I've only found 1 skin/outfit combination that doesn't give me this bug. I normally change my outfit at least once every time I log in and it just kills me that I can't do that anymore. I simply can't bring myself to play until this is resolved...

I am glad to see that the priority on this bug is listed as critical though. I'll continue to watch this page for a fix, but until then SL is dead to me.

This is an obscure obsolete feature that hasn't been properly supported by the GPU manufacturers for a while, but it's been turned on by default since at least 1.20, and that won't be fixed until 1.22. Meanwhile, turn it off manually every time you load your viewer.

At least we have an answer. Thanks BigPapi.

See the issue I opened related to this for pics:

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9358

For now, at this moment, this stupid workaround is working for me as long as I am logged in. My pants looked fixed, my avatar can even wear socks without them looking like long underwear. As you can see from my previous posts I am mad as hell at Linden Labs for not fixing this business user killing bug and if its not fixed real soon, me and my four other sales guys will be pulling out of SL just like all the other real life companies have left. Does anyone really care?

Some of us actually write the stuff. Somebody has to.

I'm sure your long experience as a big deal exec has taught you that ranting at the techs about how much money you've spent always gets you what you want.

Good luck everyone. I know how very frustrating this can be.

As a side note this is a technical forum to work through bugs and help make SL a better experience and rants and responding to rants don't help things get better. I have worked in software development for many years and given the number of feature enhancements people are always wanting and bugs and complexity of dealing with interoperability between different Operating systems the Linden Labs team is doing a great job when you look at how big SL has grown. So lets focus on helping and not flaming.

Now the fix don't work anymore.

Yesterday I updated my nVidia driver for my 280 card - so as a result the ctrl + alt + f7 and ctrl + alt + r "fix" don't work!

I added a picture above called: "just another bug.png"

I have reported the problem which has been marked as fixed although it is not at all fixed.Switching of f 'palletted textures' solves a small proportion of the problem,however this then gets reset when i relog.Glad others have reported this problem because i asked alot of people in world and they all thought i was nuts

Using Nvidia GeForce 7 Series card with updated drivers.This cannot be changed without buying a new card so hopefully LL can find a solution to the problem for us shame cant go back to old viewer just with better security.

So I just now went back and re-wore the formerly damaged parts of an outfit that had been re-made for me by Adrina Welders when the problem first surfaced....I can't find any problem with them now.

I don't understand.

""Not being able to mod pants""
""Not being able to edit facial hair""
""Whenever i wore a shoebase, it would cover the bottom half of my body lookin like an underpants""
""Shorts would look like pants""
""The color of my hand would change according to the color of the jacket i wore"" and etc.

Well about 30 minutes ago, suddenly all that changed... I can now do all the problems i've listed above without a problem...
But like i said, maybe its just a temporary thing... Thats why im not thanking the lindens yet .. incase the problems begin again )

By the way for those who are interested... My PC specifications are...

Core2 Duo E8500 @ 3,16Ghz (Stock)
KINGSTON 4GB @ 800Mhz
nVidia 8800GT 512MB
Seagate 500GB Hard Disk
700watt TAGAN PSU...
Vista Ultimate 64bit OS

One of my blog readers, Fiona Whiteberry, sent me a possible fix for this issue! Go to the Advanced menu > Rendering> Features then uncheck Palletized Texture. Then, rebake your avatar textures by pressing Control-Alt-R. Fiona that said if it doesn't work the first time, try again and it should do it. You may have to repeat these steps if it happens again.

IT WORKS!

175.16 - No problems
178.13 - I get the same problem as those listed here.. jacket layer = no bottom graphics.

However, I turned off the Palletized Textures (Ctrl-Alt-F7) then rebaked (Ctrl-Alt-R) and I have my pants back!

Just another positive comment that the solution does work. (At least for now...)

I have an

AMD Opteron 185
GEIL 4Gbyte DDR
nVidia 8800 GTX 640 Mbyte
Vista Ultimate x64 Windows

Driver 178.13 Nforce and Forceware 50.23

I tried everything but its still black now. I dont know what i should do.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8944

These issues are annoying, I admit that, but to see some of the negative comments about LL is quite disappointing as they do pull off a lot with limited staff, so since they are working on it, quit bashing on them.

@ Ancient1
The more I read your posts the less likely I think you are a professional doing business in SL. A serious business person wouldn't put all their eggs in the one basket of SL and if it is so important and hurting your business then purchasing a couple of ATI cards, while not ideal, would resolve your issues. Such a successful business, I would imagine, could afford these with very little impact to their bottom line. That's the cost of doing business. Linden Labs is also not responsible for the viability of your business. If you chose to come to SL to do business, great, but there's no guarantee that everything is going to go smoothly all the time and nor has Linden Labs made such a guarantee to anyone doing business in SL.

I want to roll back to one that doesn't exhibit this issue and have the choice of the following driver releases for the 9800m GTS -

175.95
175.80
175.75
175.70
175.63
174.90

Thanks in advance =)

PS: I play SL on a G Force 6600 gt

Don't worry about Ancient1...he's so grid-wise that he failed to read BigPapi's profile, preferring to guess his LL role based on his avi's name. Judging by his profile his actual "business" in SL is "providing counseling for SL shopping and sexual addictions". Not exactly indicative of a very favorable disposition towards the grid to begin with

Again with the newest NVidia Drivers the phantom "pants", really it is a shoe base layer extending to the waist, is present, backing down to the 7.15.11.7516 driver corrected the issue for now.

I am currently using the following...

Operating System Microsoft Windows Vista Media Center Edition 6.0.6001

[ GeForce 8800 GTS 512 ]

Video Adapter Properties:
Device Description GeForce 8800 GTS 512
Adapter String GeForce 8800 GTS 512
BIOS String Version 62.92.3a.0.8
Chip Type GeForce 8800 GTS 512
DAC Type Integrated RAMDAC
Installed Drivers nvd3dum (7.15.11.7516), nvwgf2um (7.15.11.7516)

Video Adapter Manufacturer:
Company Name NVIDIA Corporation

CPU AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6400+, 3214 MHz

BIOS Properties:
BIOS Type Award
Award BIOS Type Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Award BIOS Message ASUS M2N-E ACPI BIOS Revision 1202
System BIOS Date 10/29/07
Video BIOS Date 02/13/08

Physical Memory:
Total 3325 MB
Used 1578 MB
Free 1747 MB

Swap Space:
Total 6849 MB
Used 1594 MB
Free 5255 MB

Virtual Memory:
Total 10174 MB
Used 3172 MB
Free 7002 MB

-------[ DirectX Video ]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ Primary Display Driver ]

DirectDraw Device Properties:
DirectDraw Driver Name display
DirectDraw Driver Description Primary Display Driver
Hardware Driver nvd3dum.dll
Hardware Description NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 512

Direct3D Device Properties:
Available Local Video Memory 506880 KB
Available Non-Local Video Memory (AGP) 1441000 KB
Rendering Bit Depths 16, 32
Z-Buffer Bit Depths 16, 24, 32
Min Texture Size 1 x 1
Max Texture Size 8192 x 8192
Vertex Shader Version 3.0
Pixel Shader Version 3.0

Direct3D Device Features:
Additive Texture Blending Supported
AGP Texturing Supported
Anisotropic Filtering Supported
Bilinear Filtering Supported
Cubic Environment Mapping Supported
Cubic Filtering Not Supported
Decal-Alpha Texture Blending Supported
Decal Texture Blending Supported
Directional Lights Not Supported
DirectX Texture Compression Not Supported
DirectX Volumetric Texture Compression Not Supported
Dithering Supported
Dot3 Texture Blending Supported
Dynamic Textures Supported
Edge Antialiasing Supported
Environmental Bump Mapping Supported
Environmental Bump Mapping + Luminance Supported
Factor Alpha Blending Supported
Geometric Hidden-Surface Removal Not Supported
Guard Band Supported
Hardware Scene Rasterization Supported
Hardware Transform & Lighting Supported
Legacy Depth Bias Not Supported
Mipmap LOD Bias Adjustments Supported
Mipmapped Cube Textures Supported
Mipmapped Volume Textures Supported
Modulate-Alpha Texture Blending Supported
Modulate Texture Blending Supported
Non-Square Textures Supported
N-Patches Not Supported
Perspective Texture Correction Supported
Point Lights Not Supported
Point Sampling Supported
Projective Textures Supported
Quintic Bezier Curves & B-Splines Not Supported
Range-Based Fog Supported
Rectangular & Triangular Patches Not Supported
Rendering In Windowed Mode Supported
Scissor Test Not Supported
Slope-Scale Based Depth Bias Not Supported
Specular Flat Shading Supported
Specular Gouraud Shading Supported
Specular Phong Shading Not Supported
Spherical Mapping Supported
Spot Lights Not Supported
Stencil Buffers Supported
Sub-Pixel Accuracy Supported
Table Fog Supported
Texture Alpha Blending Supported
Texture Clamping Supported
Texture Mirroring Supported
Texture Transparency Supported
Texture Wrapping Supported
Triangle Culling Not Supported
Trilinear Filtering Supported
Two-Sided Stencil Test Supported
Vertex Alpha Blending Supported
Vertex Fog Supported
Vertex Tweening Not Supported
Volume Textures Supported
W-Based Fog Supported
W-Buffering Not Supported
Z-Based Fog Supported
Z-Bias Supported
Z-Test Supported

Supported FourCC Codes:
3x16 Supported
AI44 Supported
AIP8 Supported
ATOC Supported
AV12 Supported
AYUV Supported
NV12 Supported
NV24 Supported
NVDB Supported
NVDP Supported
NVMD Supported
PLFF Supported
SSAA Supported
UYVY Supported
YUY2 Supported
YV12 Supported

All data above prived from "Everest Home Edition"

Kelly Grumiaux - 14/Oct/08 11:28 AM
It seems like many of the recent posters are not seeing some of the earlier posts since they are backing down to older driver versions. While that is one solution there is another. I am running SL on an NVidia 9800GTX with the 178.13 drivers. Yes, certain clothing textures at different layers cause issues (shoes, jackets and socks)...

I have found that glove layers also do this.

That said, I then used the work-around on a second pair of pants which had been displaying the problem and apparently it again worked. Why it refused to work again on that first pair remains a mystery to me. I can only hope that I do not have to wear a different pair of pants each time I log out and back in. I have pants enough for less than a week for that to continue occuring--that is, having to use a different pair each time.

So at least for me, the work-around is itself only a very temporary solution to a very aggravating problem. As long as the problem remains, I will certainly not spend additional money on any new pants. That the problem remains and the fix seems to be a one-shot only solution (for me), also means my social life has been greatly curtailed. Vendors are losing money, musicians I normally tip while out are losing money, I see many of my friends far less now, yet I am still paying the same amount of money to Linden Labs for a far less pleasant "second life."

The "Fix" only partly works for me after updating my nVidia drivers. See the picture (just another bug.png) I posted for an example where the fix does not work.

My system info is as follows:

Second Life 1.21.5 (98701) Oct 6 2008 10:27:21 (Second Life Release Candidate)
I have an Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q9650, 8 GB Ram and running nVidia 280 latest drivers.

BigPapi tells us (BigPapi Linden - 09/Oct/08 01:16 PM) that the fix will be to eliminate use of palletized textures in a future viewer release.

I just installed the 178.24 nVidia driver released15 october (vista 64 system running Second Life 1.21.5 (98701) Oct 6 2008 (Second Life Release Candidate) and Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q9650, 8 GB Ram)

As to my comment before that the ctrl + alt + f7 and rebake "fix" did not help with the most recent drivers - this is still true.

It DOES fix some errors, but the error on the picture included above is still present after the update. (just another bug.png)

What do you need from us to help with this problem ?
The disable Palettized Textures and rebake doesn't fix the added cloth, you need to edit and change the length of whatever you're wearing to fix it, which wont work on no-mod clothes.
It does remove the texture on it but just keeps it at the color of your shoe layer.

I do hope there is a next 1.21 RC.

Yes, there's been pressure.

And you'll see the cause of this issue is an old feature that nVidia has stopped supporting.

Unfortunately it's still the default in the current viewers.

Intel Core2 Duo @ 4.29MHz
4GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce 9800GTX running 178.24 drivers
Win XP Pro SP3
latest SL viewer client (not RC)

The Pallettised Texture fix works for me, I just need to know now if the new driver is stable in SL or if the crashing problem still exists, but that is a separate JIRA issue.

Second Life 1.21.6 (99587) Oct 14 2008 17:42:25 (Second Life Release)
Release Notes

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2199 MHz)
Memory: 3070 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8400 GS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.16.4 OpenSSL/0.9.7c zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: KDU
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.18914 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)

There's a whole constellation of crashing problems and memory leaks when running nVidia on multiprocessor CPUs. Many of them are linked to VWR-8841.

Linden Research must stay more current with vidcard driver support.

They need to be proactive in testing their product against manufacturer's beta drivers so disasters like this are less likely.

And answers like "just roll your drivers back" when drivers that are shipping to end users are failing to render properly is not an option....especially when "update your drivers" is the knee-jerk response when crashes occur.

Especially since we are now seeing both bad rendering and frequent crashes.

I await a proper fix for all the Nvidia issues, although I'm not holding my breath...

Had a similar experience with Apple's I Tunes a few weeks ago. Their files were garbled.

Surely you mean "64-bit Windows" not "64-bit machine"? URL please?

As far as I have understood from the NVidia pages, they are the ones that turned of the abilty to see palttized textures, so to blame LL for that and to be mad because they cant go in and fix another companies coding and choices seems kinda unfair (and honestly a few other things) to me. However I want this fixed as much as you. One of the reasons I bought this video card is because it was not only supported, but also recommended back when i bought a new computer. So, maybe a new buinessidea for LL would be to actually enter contracts about where they get the other party to promise to stay compatible in order for LL to say they support or recommend? I work in the IT buiness, and we dont make promises about extrenal products unless we have contracts that can back that claim. And maybe LL do have this contract? I know (from answers here and from talking to a Linden) that they are communicating with NVidia.

But yeah, i agree, fix it someone! I dont like white legs, I dont like the artifiacts on my screen, when prims half dissapear and make me seem like i have alopesia (sorry if you do).

But save the !!!!!!!!!!! to where its deserved? Go to NVidias page and leave the same comment? Then maybe we will see some action?

• • • I have experienced a few times where the rebake does not address the issue. However, you can try and taking off the socks or pants or whatever article of clothing is causing the texture issue and wear it again after you have disabled Palletized Textures.

Which makes sense since removing a texture and wearing it again will force that image to be rendered again by the video card. You do not have to edit an article of clothing to correct the issue that of course is not possible on no mod clothing and is extra steps which are not needed In Alan's case i might suggest changing your clothes after you have disabled the Palletized textures and you should be fine. I assume you have several outfits based on your comments.

While I agree with the sentiment this needs to be fixed... It takes a few seconds to disable the option and correct the texture problem. Perhaps we should focus on given the development team well defined steps on how the problem occurs and what steps were taken to correct the issue if one found. I read these posts daily and the rants do not help.

@neize – You can say "SL is a large company with manpower behind them to get things done" ...but evidence in hand suggests otherwise. Relying on "old as dirt" features while your code requires bleeding edge hardware (and the software that goes with it is a recipe for disasters like this one.

If anybody could use a laugh in the midst of all this, I had a little fun with the VWR-10086 JIRA after it was marked as being one of the huge cloud of duplicates on this issue. I realize that English is not everybody's first language, but the description line just conjured up these strange images...I hope Junnior will forgive me

Thanks

I have a number of skins with textures, some with transprency, some without, and when I use a skin with no transparency/alpha channel, this problem does not seem to appear.

Is anybody else able confirm this?

Chances are I've been doing software development myself longer than you've been alive--long enough to know that the need to track ongoing compatibility with a rapidly moving mission-critiical hardware API is indeed a technical issue.

LL dev attention was finally belatedly brought to focus on this issue when I involved folks I have contacts with, since the routine triage process was dropping the ball. I'll continue keep my own council on when and how to post.

Have a nice day. .

You have a nice day yourself.

CPU: Intel Core 2 Q6600 Series Processor (2399 MHz)
Memory: 3070 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce GTX 260 XXX Edition/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

You are at 163111.4, 250385.0, 22.5 in 100Limite located at sim2645.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.18.142:12035)
Second Life Server 1.24.9.98659

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2135 MHz)
Memory: 2048 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 9600 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.19154 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 101/93384 (0.1%)

NVIDIA drivers: 178.24

I was bugged by this issue for roughly two months, and the frequency of this to reappear has been increasing drasticaly recently.

The following issues were occuring to me:

1) Most frequenty: Pants length being at 100% despite being set to anything lower than that. Changing the value in the appearance editor had no effect at all.

2) Socks going up to the waist with no texture. Lower avatar half looked either grey or black.

3) One avatar had a maroon colored upper body half while wearing no clothes at all

Hardware config:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550
Memory: 4095 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2 (Build 3790)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
GPU: Leadtek 8800GT-512 (G92 GPU based)

NVidia drivers: Forceware 174.63 and later. Ex. 175.16,178.13, 180.x
Clients: All release clients since 1.19.1.4

I also got reports of friends having these issues, one or more of the ones I listed avove.
They were using the following cards:

XFX 8800GT (G92), 8800GTS (G80 GPU based), Leadtek 9800GT-512 (G92b), MSI 9800GT-512 (G92b).

All of them used the same drivers as I did, and the same clients

Disabling palettized textures and rebaking usually fixes the issue for me

Hope that helps

Video card GeForce 8800 GTS 512Mb, OS Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit SP1.

From this, and reading other peples comments here I can only expect this problem to become more common as more machines get updated . I think a fix for this is now well overdue.

Another thing about this bug that I've noticed is that it happens more frequently the longer I've been sitting on a poseball. I'll also mention that often times when sitting on a poseball there's a glitch where prim hair disappears looking at the avatar from certain angles.

Looks like this issue has been around for several incarnations, is there going to be a fix anytime soon?

Second Life 1.21.6 (99587) Oct 14 2008 17:42:25 (Second Life Release)
Release Notes

You are at 280841.4, 262472.2, 33.1 in Quantum Acres located at sim5789.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.35.91:13002)
Second Life Server 1.24.9.98659
Release Notes

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2400 MHz)
Memory: 2048 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 9600 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

Second Life 1.21.6 (0) Oct 25 2008 20:39:26 (Restrained Life Release)
RestrainedLife viewer v1.14.2 (SL 1.21.6)
Release Notes

You are at 232833.7, 255392.6, 689.9 in Shadow Dominion located at sim69.agni.lindenlab.com (64.154.220.36:13001)
Second Life Server 1.24.9.98659
Release Notes

CPU: Intel Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (0.25 micron process) with external L2 cache (3191 MHz)
Memory: 8189 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce GTX 280/PCI/SSE2 (I run 3 of these in SLI)
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.16.4 OpenSSL/0.9.7c zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: KDU
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.19150 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.11_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 0/1682 (0.0%)

NVIDIA DRIVERS: 178.24

Same problems here, sometimes the Crtl/Alt/F7 then Ctrl/Alt/R works, but overall fails more than it succeeds.

Here is my computer info:

Second Life 1.21.6 (99587) Oct 14 2008 17:42:25 (Second Life Release)
Release Notes

You are at 283435.5, 267463.9, 684.4 in Snallygaster located at sim3522.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.22.3:12035)
Second Life Server 1.24.9.98659
Release Notes

CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (3013 MHz)
Memory: 4095 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP x64 Edition Service Pack 2 (Build 3790)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8400 GS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.16.4 OpenSSL/0.9.7c zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: KDU
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.19319 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 0/67689 (0.0%)

NVIDIA Drivers: 178.24

Same bug happens with me in the Release Candidate (Second_Life_1-21-5-98701_ReleaseCandidate).

Second Life 1.21.5 (98701) Oct 6 2008 10:27:21 (Second Life Release Candidate)
Release Notes

You are at 188981.7, 245118.3, 21.9 in Mission Beach located at sim5373.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.33.120:13001)
Second Life Server 1.24.9.98659
Release Notes

CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (2109 MHz)
Memory: 4094 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 9500 GS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.16.4 OpenSSL/0.9.7c zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: KDU
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.19376 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 65/152045 (0.0%)

I also have certain a sculpty that becomes horribly misshapen, but if I reload the sculpt texture it reshapes fine. This happens so frequently that I scripted the sculpt texture to reload when touched. It then springs back into proper shape.

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2699 MHz)
Memory: 3326 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.16.4 OpenSSL/0.9.7c zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: KDU
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.19472 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 59/139415 (0.0%)

Thanks
~Blue

Second Life 1.22.0 (102206) Nov 11 2008 20:53:04 (Second Life Public Nightly)
Release Notes

You are at 223109.0, 277390.0, 25.5 in Melioria located at sim5748.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.35.50:13001)
Second Life Server 1.24.9.98659
Release Notes

CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (2310 MHz)
Memory: 3326 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GTX/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.16.4 OpenSSL/0.9.7c zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: KDU
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.19516 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 0/30309 (0.0%)

Second Life 1.22.0 (102206) Nov 11 2008 20:53:04 (Second Life Public Nightly)
Release Notes

You are at 284899.9, 274205.2, 124.5 in Barkley located at sim5457.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.34.13:13001)
Second Life Server 1.24.9.98659
Release Notes

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2394 MHz)
Memory: 2046 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 7900 GS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.16.4 OpenSSL/0.9.7c zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: KDU
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.19521 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 7/932981 (0.0%)

Regards,

Dargo

"Note: these early builds are called a "Public Nightly" build, and are KNOWN to have other bugs which need polish before RC0. Nightly builds have a limited audience for residents who are willing to help us test."

Was there some part of this you didn't understand?

I'm simply pointing out that you were warned that the nightly builds are known to have bugs; we were asked to try them out only so that LL can further establish whether their approach to fixing the specific problem (which we hope will appear in viewer 1.22 when it is released) works in all cases.

We were not invited to use them for our everyday viewer. If they were that good, they'd be released already.

Fortunately I don't need to obtain your permission before speaking. With 428 votes, numerous duplicate JIRAs both linked and unlinked, this issue is actually not all about you.

As for drama...well...Pot, meet Kettle.

The frustration is shared; I have been holding back my nVidia driver updates specifically because of this JIRA issue.

I was able to test two configurations, both did a good job regarding the skinning error

Windows Vista Home 64 Bit, NVIDIA 8600M GT running driver version 178.24

MacBook Pro, NVIDIA 8600M GT running Mac OS X 10.5.5

On Mac OS X 10.5.5 we got a much bigger problem, the texture memory slider does not affect the dedicated texture memory and the viewer seams to get only 64 MB of a 256 MB graphics card. This results in a maximum texture memory on 192 MB. I hope that someone cares about anytime.

But I do notice it now on other avatars. Instead of appearing gray when the textures are missing, parts of them will appear black.

Also, I briefly saw the female ruth on my female alt when I received the notice about clothes and such still downloading.

~Blue

Second Life 1.22.0 (102206) Nov 11 2008 20:53:04 (Second Life Public Nightly)
Release Notes

You are at 223022.5, 277275.4, 626.2 in Melioria located at sim5748.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.35.50:13001)
Second Life Server 1.24.9.98659
Release Notes

CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (2310 MHz)
Memory: 3326 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GTX/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!

CPU: Intel Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (0.25 micron process) with external L2 cache (3166 MHz)
Memory: 3327 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

Is there any update on when the fixed client will be released?

I asked Khai Sinister about this and what he suggested worked for me.

Try disabling (uncheck) Advanced->Rendering->Features->"Palettized Textures" in the advanced menu (ctrl + alt + 'D') and rebake your avatar (Ctrl + Alt + 'R'). You may need to re-wear your clothing that is misbehaving and rebake yet again if at first try it doesn't solve the issue.

(Thanks Khai!)

It seems fixed! I did what Nix Linden told further down this Kira - cleared cache and changed av size and back and I havent had the problem so far

Second Life 1.22.0 (103519) Nov 20 2008 15:37:22 (Second Life Release Candidate)

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2393 MHz)
Memory: 3070 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

Thanks!!

Windows Vista Home Premium
Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4 GHz, 3 GB
GeForce 8800 GT Driver Ver. 180.48

Second Life 1.22.0 (103519) Nov 20 2008 15:37:22 (Second Life Release Candidate)

You are at 287150.0, 274841.0, 80.6 in Oppeano located at sim2364.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.17.115:12035)
Second Life Server 1.24.9.98659

CPU: Intel Pentium 4 (Unknown model) (3152 MHz)
Memory: 2047 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 9600 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

Also, this RC seems to crash a LOT more frequently, which is saying something because I'm already experiencing plenty of crashes due to the other existing Nvidia issue.

Nividia driver: 7.15.11.7813

Second Life 1.21.6 (99587) Oct 14 2008 17:42:25 (Second Life Release)
Release Notes

You are at 277573.9, 282073.3, 596.2 in Kismet located at sim4782.agni.lindenlab.com (63.210.159.178:13000)
Second Life Server 1.24.9.98659
Release Notes

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2393 MHz)
Memory: 3071 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

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Comment: Issues occurs on both computer that i own, 2nd computer is dv7-1020us

Seems like after that, people started having the issue got it fixed. (Although I can't use it much, the accuracy on selection of primitives is terrible, so I can't build with it, and sometimes likes to crash just on login to me, but seems like it is very stable for other people.)

, without any positive result. But I did that using the 1.21.6 viewer as I don't know where to get the 1.22 RC client; I googled it but couldn't reach the download page. If that client solves the problem then I just can't see why it is not available for download on the current viewer opening page.

I hope this information will help someone else with the same graphics card.

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2413 MHz)
Memory: 2048 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 9600 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

This is the configuration working for me:
Second Life 1.22.2 (104576) Dec 2 2008 12:04:44
Release Notes

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2133 MHz)
Memory: 2047 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce GTX 260/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

Surely this problem should be being worked on with this many people experiencing it!

I also have an issue with slow texture rendering in world and wonder if this is related? The usual rebakes and cache clearing has had no effect.

Second Life 1.21.6 (99587) Oct 14 2008 17:42:25 (Second Life Release)

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2050 MHz)
Memory: 2048 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: unknown board/AGP/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

It is already fixed in the 1.22.2 release candidate viewer. You can grab it from the downloads page and give it a whirl.

1) Disabled rendering of palletized textures.
2) Updated viewer to 1.22.3.
3) Updated to the latest nvidia drivers.

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (3005 MHz)
Memory: 2047 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GTS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

Lethe-
If this this new viewer doesn't work.
Run Second Life in a window. That was a big thing for me. For some reason the rebake trick didnt work in full screen.
Then disable palletized textures. Delete the texture cache from options. Restart Secondlife, and rebake textures. To do this you have to enable the advanced panel (ctrl-alt-d), then press ctrl-alt-r to rebake.
Also enable the admin panel (ctrl-alt-v). Its very useful. :-D
That worked for me, and i have an 8800gtx.

Turning off palletized textures does how ever fix the problem but it is extreamly annoying to have to turn that off every time I login. It was not like this a few months ago. This only started happening with the newest update. Second Life 1.21.6 (99587) Oct 14 2008 17:42:25 (Second Life Release)

I am running Windows XP SP2,
Graphics card: Nvidia XFX Geforce 8400 gs 512mb with the newest drivers. Version 6.14.0011.7824

This is not the only major glitch going on. There is also the glitch were the texture window in the edit window freezes the game. Also the invite window for groups freezes the game as well.

A tip though. The RC SL slightly fixes the clothing problem. The glitch does not happen within edit appearance mode but outside that mode the glitch still goes on. so what your doing in the RC rightnow is slightly there.

ANNOUNCEMENT: This issue is fixed as of 1.22 RC0. RC1 was released on 2008-11-24 and should be more stable as well as no longer showing this bug. This is being closed as resolved - please only reopen if you are still experiencing this on 1.22 RC clients AND have tried the following:
1) clear cache and relogging
2) switching avatars / outfits

WORKAROUND: Disable (uncheck) Advanced->Rendering->Features->"Palettized Textures" in the advanced menu (ctrl + alt + 'D') and rebake your avatar (Ctrl + Alt + 'R'). You may need to re-wear your clothing that is misbehaving and rebake yet again if at first try it doesn't solve the issue. Note: It may take a little bit for the server to refresh your baked textures if there are lots of avatars around or the sim is laggy.

The latest RC can be downloaded from here Test Viewers Release Candidate

Resolving as per BigPapi Linden added a comment - 29/Dec/08 08:59 AM

updated to rc 1.22.4 (106127), and all the previous issues seem to have vanished, (5 min test).

i seem to have lost the mini-map though.

Reclosing this JIRA as fix pending.

DO NOT REOPEN THIS BUG IS FIXED IN THE RELEASE CANDIDATE.

hm, hope that is clear enough

• I tried to find out the problem root, logging in on his name, and I figured out making a brand new shape and loading the rest of the AV parts and attachments solves the problem.
• Later I figured, changing the gender in Appearance back and forth fixes it too. But actually it doesn't.
• Now, almost all of his skins appear half or full black, or turns to black after a few minutes even if it looked well right after he worn it.
• When he goes into Appearance mode and changes gender, the skin appears normal but a few seconds after he saves and closes it, the skin goes all black in a few seconds.
• If he takes everything off, makes a new shape and skin, it goes all black at once.

I doubt it's a driver issue too, since I haven't changed drivers (I'm at 175.19) neither him, and the problem appears either with the official and the previous and the actual RC viewer (1.22.5 (107013)) too. Also, not sure how could HIS driver issues affect MY screen - and my skins always do look good. Tried to rebake, clear cache, reinstall etc.. Honestly, I believe it's a SL glitch. So my opinion is, the issue is still open, more than ever. The fix maybe pending, but not done...

However, I wonder if you're seeing something like VWR-6942 actually? All the recurring blackness seems to suggest it. If you search the jira for "black avatar" and the like, you'll see a lot of similar issues, many closed (as duplicates, often), some open – it seems to be a common rending failure of some kind.

My understanding is that the baked avatar textures are sent up to the server and shared with the other viewers, so if your baked texture is bogus, everybody will see the bogosity. And it's the video card that processes the baking, hence the driver dependency...

My config: Nvidia 180.22, Linux 2.6.27.

My experience is that rebaking does not fix it. I'm running RC9 on a Vista 64 8800 GT with the 181.22 drivers. This problem re-started about two weeks ago. We are definately seeing regression here. FWIW I have the same problem on Windows 7 Beta 64.

I have the latest NvDia drivers 182.06 for GeForce 8800 GTX

Using Windows XP - SP3

nVidia Drivers are current.

Using Vista with all available current updates.

Second Life 1.22.9 (110075) Feb 10 2009 12:43:24 (Second Life Release Candidate)
Release Notes

You are at 255783.6, 247254.5, 697.6 in Palau located at sim238.agni.lindenlab.com (8.4.128.114:13002)
Second Life Server 1.25.5.109327
Release Notes

CPU: Intel Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (0.25 micron process) with external L2 cache (2539 MHz)
Memory: 3071 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GTX/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

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How do I clear my Second Life cache?

If you log into Second Life using the latest RC Viewer 1.22.9 do you see this issue straight away ?

1) Does the bug reproduce on all of your shoes, or just a few specific pairs?

2) If you give a copy of an affected pair of shoes to another user, will it appear incorrectly on their avatar as well?

3) Does going into appearance mode change anything? Leaving appearance mode?

Thank you : )

The shoes are no-trans, so I cannot test whether they affect other avatars.

Going into appearance helps while I am in it, but it immediately reverts back when I leave it.

Cache-clearing does nothing at all.

And yes, I see it immediately upon login.

CPU: Intel Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (0.25 micron process) with external L2 cache (1995 MHz)
Memory: 4093 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 9200M GS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

i have been having this problem since Ive been back i just want to kno if there will be a fix on this in the new viewer i don't just want a fix for me (i know you can do the palitized textures) but i don't want to walk around looking crazy so at the moment i have been avoiding the shoe sock jacket and glove layers on certain items or all togetther.

thanks for reading